Review: Killing Them Softly, Dave Chappelle

[00:00:08] Speaker A: I haven't. [00:00:09] Speaker B: There's a whole description of it. [00:00:11] Speaker A: I like the description. I saw the picture, but I didn't. [00:00:14] Speaker C: Know I was gonna. So it's this band that they put a. They put. They. They did the theme music for my first podcast and I was like, well, how do I support it? Because it's like license free. So I went online and I bought like, all of their MP3s that I could and stuff. And it's really good. I like it. It's like this loungey. You know, where you've heard it. Like, it's sort of loungey, weird, like music. And I thought, I actually really like this band, so I'll listen to them. And then as soon as you. We needed one for this, I'm like, I know where to go for this because it's royalty free and everything. Anyway, what was my point? [00:00:55] Speaker A: Well, you put one up there. I thought you just did this. And so I didn't scroll down, like. [00:01:02] Speaker B: Well, honestly, I read the description. [00:01:04] Speaker A: I've never seen this. What is this? What is this? [00:01:06] Speaker B: I read the description first and I was like, oh, it's like sometimes reggae roots. All right, this sounds interesting. [00:01:11] Speaker A: What? [00:01:12] Speaker B: And so then when I tuned in and it started, I was like, I get into this. And then it was Bill talking. [00:01:16] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, that's a good song if you look them up on, like, SoundCloud or whatever. But here's the thing. I thought it would be funny to make the description of the band and this and the soundtrack like, longer than the description of the actual podcast. So I was gonna. I was trying to find as much text as I could, but then I gave up on it in the end. [00:01:37] Speaker B: Or the way that I took it was the description was longer than the clip that you played. You know, like, it took longer to read the description of the 3 second clip. [00:01:48] Speaker A: That was it. The music right there. [00:01:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:50] Speaker C: Well, you don't play the whole goddamn song, do you? [00:01:54] Speaker A: It was too quick. It's not even like three, two and a half seconds. [00:01:57] Speaker C: Yeah, you don't play the whole. [00:01:59] Speaker B: And you don't. And you also don't play five seconds of it. [00:02:03] Speaker C: Yeah, and there's more at the end. [00:02:04] Speaker A: Okay. [00:02:05] Speaker C: If you go all the way to. [00:02:07] Speaker B: The end, it's the other two seconds. [00:02:10] Speaker A: Don't make me laugh. Podcast. I can't listen to this. [00:02:16] Speaker B: I listen to the whole thing. [00:02:17] Speaker A: Is it. Can people see this? No. [00:02:19] Speaker C: Do you read any of the text? [00:02:21] Speaker A: I do, I do. [00:02:23] Speaker C: Yeah. I got. I'm up to, I think seven loves and about eight likes. [00:02:32] Speaker B: It's pretty good. [00:02:33] Speaker C: Yeah. That's a lot of traction in. In social media, so I hear. To have 15 people react to it. [00:02:40] Speaker A: Who are the people? [00:02:42] Speaker C: Just friends who I knew would like it anyway. [00:02:44] Speaker A: Where. What. What platform is this on? [00:02:47] Speaker C: Oh, we're technical now, aren't we? It's on Castos, which is like. We pay to have a shitload on there. [00:02:52] Speaker A: Oh, you do? [00:02:53] Speaker C: Yeah. And then they. You tick all these. But I still have more stuff to do to get it distributed because there's like. You tick, like. Yeah, I want it on Apple. Yeah, I want it on this. And then it just spreads. Jizzes it out into the universe for you. But there's. Kastos is the main place. And then you have to sign up for a few of the other, you know, there's like a whole bunch of sites. [00:03:18] Speaker A: So at some point it will be on Apple and whatever else it is on Apple. Oh, nice. [00:03:25] Speaker C: And then you'll. Then your students will start finding it, and then you'll lose your job, and that'll be excellent. [00:03:32] Speaker A: No, that's why we're keeping it just first names, right? [00:03:36] Speaker B: Until 10,000 subscribers, and then we'll release last names. [00:03:40] Speaker A: Okay. [00:03:40] Speaker C: Except you say both of our last names in your first sentence. [00:03:45] Speaker B: But we bleep them out. [00:03:47] Speaker C: No, we didn't. [00:03:47] Speaker A: No, let's bleep them out. You get me nervous. I'm a wreck. [00:03:52] Speaker C: You wanted to publish and be damned. [00:03:55] Speaker A: No, I didn't be dancing. No, no. Have we said anything really bad on here? I hope not. [00:04:02] Speaker B: I don't think yet. No. [00:04:03] Speaker A: Nothing can get me canceled. [00:04:04] Speaker C: You've accused me of, like, racism two or three times. Or you've tried sucker me in. [00:04:09] Speaker A: Yes, well, you've tried to sucker me in with some. Some sexual talk that you think I'm inclined towards, and I'm not. Where that comes from. It's all above board here. No, I am literally a wreck. I'm shaking from car trouble that I had on the way here. Now, whenever anyone, like my students, for example, they'll say, ah, my car broke. I don't believe them. And as my car is breaking down on the way here and I'm texting you, I'm like, these guys won't believe me. Did you not believe me? You didn't believe me? [00:04:44] Speaker C: I bet I believed you, but I didn't care. [00:04:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I could tell you didn't care from the response when you said, I mean, cry me a river. [00:04:52] Speaker C: Cars break down all the time. I've spent half of my life standing at the side Of a road cursing a car out. Really? [00:05:00] Speaker A: Do they? I feel like they don't. I feel like just mine because it's old, but I think most people's cars don't break down. You have old. [00:05:07] Speaker C: Yeah, but I stay on top of it. Yeah, but because I'm a proper man, I'm able to stay on top of car maintenance. [00:05:17] Speaker A: That is the sign. [00:05:18] Speaker C: Not proper. Not that only men can do car maintenance. [00:05:22] Speaker A: No, no, no, not saying that. I was having car trouble yesterday with another of my cars. The oil pressure light keeps coming on and my mechanics tell me don't worry about it, it's intermittent. And I'm like, okay. But it keeps coming on. And I looked it up and there was a. Somebody else had asked about this problem. A woman. It said her husband doesn't do anything for the car, doesn't take it for an oil change or anything. [00:05:47] Speaker C: I think there's a subtext to her saying that. Yeah, sexual. Like my husband doesn't change the oil. He's not proact. She's talking about another thing. But carry on. [00:06:01] Speaker A: Maybe she was up on blocks. [00:06:04] Speaker C: There's a classic from the 90s up on blocks. [00:06:09] Speaker A: People don't really get that reference anymore. Anyway, she, you know, the, the guys, the mechanic guys that were answering the questions in the fa. In the chat were really going after her husband for not, you know, taking proper care of the car. [00:06:23] Speaker C: It's fun. You know how like man, they always say like, you know, teenage girls are the worst. Right. They're really brutal to each other and all that. If you ever want a good laugh, go to like YouTube and look at like the like a DIY clip or an engine clip and it's just a full on brawl of like middle aged men. Like you don't do it like that and you're like, Jesus Christ, you're just talking about a carburetor on a Hyundai, dude. [00:06:52] Speaker A: Yeah. They get very passionate. [00:06:53] Speaker C: Chill out. [00:06:54] Speaker A: I couldn't, I could just, I, I can't believe the thoughtful long responses people given in chats like this. Like somebody cars having this and some guy will write three pages in response to this stranger. Right. That's, it's, who has the time for that? [00:07:10] Speaker C: It's because his penis is broken and he's just letting it out that way. [00:07:15] Speaker A: That's how he satisfies. [00:07:18] Speaker C: Yep. [00:07:20] Speaker A: That urge or well that inadequacy. Anyway, I had car trouble on the way. It's, it's died in front of a hydrant. It's poking out in front of that hydrant. But after the show, you're gonna go and take a look at it with. [00:07:32] Speaker C: WD40, and you'll be on your way. [00:07:34] Speaker A: Okay, so I'm trying to gather myself. You might have to carry the show today. The show being Isn't that Special. How do we say it isn't that special? [00:07:43] Speaker C: I don't know if it is that special. I didn't know whether to put a question mark or an exclamation. And then I didn't put anything, but I realized I'd screwed up the graphic in Canva by putting an exclamation. So you're kind of duty bound to go, isn't that special at this point? [00:07:59] Speaker A: Well, I think it's. It's a question, not an exclamation point. [00:08:03] Speaker C: But the first podcast I did, I left it open ended because. What was it called? You think that's funny? And that can be a question or it can be a statement. And I was like, oh, that's a cool thing to do. [00:08:16] Speaker A: Well, if you've been listening to this program for a long time, as I know, many. Many are. [00:08:21] Speaker C: Many have been since Tuesday. [00:08:23] Speaker A: Yes. You know that we've had many names for this program, right? Let's go through some of them. Isn't. Well, the latest Isn't that Special? I don't know if that will stick. But then we had Funny, you should. That wasn't funny. [00:08:37] Speaker C: Harvey's lawyers find out, and then we're done. [00:08:40] Speaker A: You think he's got a team. He's got a trademark on that. On that phrase. You can trademark phrases. [00:08:48] Speaker B: Do you think he would. Or would it be. [00:08:51] Speaker C: SNL might have it. Yeah, because when he. Someone wrote that for snl, and they would have signed a contract that says, all intellectual property of Lorne Michaels, Broadway Video, whatever the hell. [00:09:06] Speaker A: Yes. [00:09:06] Speaker C: Yeah, so. [00:09:08] Speaker A: So you can't even. You can't say isn't that special? Without running afoul of that copyright. [00:09:18] Speaker B: We're gonna find out. [00:09:19] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, if they said. I mean, it's legal in it, they may have copyrighted. Well, isn't that special? [00:09:25] Speaker A: Which is the full well, isn't that right? [00:09:27] Speaker C: And that's why I dropped the well, well. And it's clunky as well. [00:09:30] Speaker A: Yeah, we don't need that. Yeah. Okay, so we've. Isn't that special? Special delivery. There was. Don't make me laugh. That was. [00:09:42] Speaker C: No, that's mine. No one's using that unless I say. [00:09:45] Speaker A: What? You own that? Don't make me laugh. [00:09:47] Speaker C: I own the URL. I don't own the thing. Because that would be. [00:09:51] Speaker A: Well, why don't we use that for the name? All right. Anyway, I guess I'm not. I'm not following the chat very closely. Well, I know there's something out there, but if there's something out there and you have something, what difference? [00:10:04] Speaker B: That. That's a really good point. That's something that. Man, we should have thought of that a week ago. [00:10:10] Speaker A: Okay. [00:10:11] Speaker B: And discussed it in the group chat. [00:10:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:13] Speaker A: I'm not good at texting. Neither are you, so I don't. [00:10:16] Speaker C: But I'm following this. [00:10:18] Speaker A: Okay. I was on vacation in Florida all week. [00:10:21] Speaker B: Is that right? [00:10:22] Speaker A: Look like you got some sun. Yeah, yeah. Here. [00:10:24] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I was at the lake skating around on Friday. [00:10:29] Speaker A: Yeah, skating around. [00:10:30] Speaker B: Skating around. Yeah. [00:10:31] Speaker A: Skating around on a. Roller skates. [00:10:33] Speaker B: Roller skates. [00:10:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:34] Speaker A: No, Yeah, I was. [00:10:35] Speaker B: Yeah, roller skates. I was. [00:10:36] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a roller skater. [00:10:37] Speaker C: Skates or blades? [00:10:39] Speaker B: Yeah, rollerblades. They're rollerblades, but if, you know, they're hockey skates. [00:10:43] Speaker A: Okay. [00:10:44] Speaker B: So I call them skates. [00:10:47] Speaker A: The layers on, you just keep. Yeah. [00:10:50] Speaker B: Like an onion. [00:10:51] Speaker A: Yeah. You are an interesting guy and very funny. He should. He should be sitting here. Well, he is, but, you know. [00:10:57] Speaker C: All right, well, when I walk out. [00:10:59] Speaker A: Eventually, if you ever go on vacation. [00:11:01] Speaker B: You'Re waiting for my moment. [00:11:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:03] Speaker A: You're coming over here. All right, let's get to today's special. Christian, why don't you tell us the idea you had here? And I love it. And I love the fact that we're bringing in. Bringing in, bringing back old specials. We've been reviewing mostly new specials or newer specials, but. But why aren't we going back to some of the greats? [00:11:24] Speaker B: Yeah, the idea was, take Dave Chappelle's special from the year 2000, killing them softly, and compare that to his latest special from 2023 on Netflix. What is it called? The Dreamer. The Dreamer, and I mean, Killing Them Softly was a special. I mean, in the year 2000. What was. I. I was in high school, sophomore in high school at the time. And that was one that was regarded as just the best at that time. And I was curious to see how the progression, the evolution of Dave Chappelle after. I mean, since then, he had done the Chappelle Show. He had his whole expedition out of the public eye for a long time and then back into it and how his comedy could evolve, and especially hand in hand with how society has evolved since then. Compare the two. [00:12:18] Speaker A: Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting today. Just for the. We're just doing part one now, so we can't really talk about the dreamer today, but I think we can say that the dreamer was filmed in the same exact theater as. [00:12:32] Speaker B: Oh, really killing. [00:12:33] Speaker A: None of that Softly. Yeah. So he returns to the. So appropriate that. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I didn't know that. [00:12:38] Speaker A: We do both now. You said 2000. I didn't get the actual date on this. Was this 2000 or 2001? [00:12:44] Speaker C: 2000,000 is what I looked up. [00:12:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. Because I was. I was waiting for a 911 reference. And this is pre 9 11. Yeah, this is right before 9 11. All right, well, let's, you know, cards on the table. I love Dave Chappelle. I've always loved his comedy. I think he's one of the. One of the greatest. And this might be. And I thought. Thought of this as I'm watching it. We've got to come up with, since we're doing all these reviews, what are the best specials of all time? [00:13:15] Speaker C: Well, you're not going to know any either one. Well, the specials didn't. When the specials get invented, mid-80s, I. [00:13:23] Speaker A: Would say probably comedy specials. It probably goes back before that, but they didn't really consider them. [00:13:28] Speaker C: The first special that I'm aware of would be like America Wise would be like Dennis Leary's no Cure for Cancer, which would. What? [00:13:39] Speaker A: What about the HBO half hour comedy hour specials? Those are half hour. I've got that sort of predates that. What do you mean this, this Killing Them Softly was on hbo. Did you have to rip a bootleg or something? [00:13:52] Speaker C: I watched it on YouTube. [00:13:53] Speaker A: Oh, it was on YouTube. Find your way. Be behind that paywall. Well, anyway, that's something I think this would have to be in the conversation of top, top 10 stand up specials ever. [00:14:10] Speaker C: I'm not qualified to comment. [00:14:11] Speaker A: All right, we'll get there. We'll get there. All right. So here we are in D.C. washington, D.C. he says he's from D.C. right. But I know him from Ohio because I know he lives in Ohio. Is this where he grew up in D.C. yeah. Do you know, I don't know. [00:14:29] Speaker B: I thought he was from the Baltimore area. [00:14:32] Speaker C: Yeah, No, I Wikipedia it because I wasn't quite sure. His parents are kind of upper middle class. I think one's a professor and one was something else. So. But yeah, because I started getting confused when he kept talking about D.C. and all this. One of the Chris Rock seminal ones is dc. [00:14:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:55] Speaker C: And he keeps talking DC and all this. And I was like, hang on, am I confusing? Did I listen to you're Confusing two black comedians. No, it was the whole D.C. thing, because they opened incredibly similarly about talking about how rough D.C. was. And I think Chris Rock immediately goes into Marion Barry, who was the mayor that got smoking court. Smoking crack. And Chappelle also references that. [00:15:27] Speaker A: Never says his name, but yeah, yeah. [00:15:29] Speaker C: And I was like, jesus Christ. Was that. Did I see a. You know, if I got confused here between two specials. [00:15:36] Speaker A: So they're probably out at about the same time. [00:15:38] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, there must have been. And then Chris Rock. He's not from DC, though, is he? [00:15:45] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't think so. But where is Dave Chappelle in 2000 career wise? I mean, was this a big special at the time? Did it become big after the fact? Was this the special that made him big? [00:16:01] Speaker B: He was. He was on the radar because of Half Baked already at the point. [00:16:05] Speaker C: I mean, crowd were going mental when he walked on. So he. Like. I was like, wow, they're raving like he's a rock star already. [00:16:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:15] Speaker C: So he must have been big. [00:16:16] Speaker A: Yeah, big enough. Right. At this point. But he hadn't done Chappelle Show. That hadn't come out. He had done Half Baked. Maybe a couple of. You know what movie he's in. That's crazy. [00:16:26] Speaker C: I know what you're going to say. Say it. [00:16:28] Speaker A: You've Got Mail or Sleep is in Seattle. One of those two. No, it is one of those two. He's in that. He plays Tom Hanks's buddy from the Office. It's crazy. Yeah, it was. [00:16:36] Speaker C: Oh, I was thinking the Robin Hood one. [00:16:40] Speaker B: I just watched it last week again. [00:16:42] Speaker C: Terrible. Yeah, it was. That was really like where I think Hollywood said, all right, no more money for Mel Brooks. He's done. [00:16:51] Speaker A: Oh, he did that. Men and Tights. [00:16:52] Speaker C: That's Mel Brooks. [00:16:53] Speaker B: Oh, it's very Mel Brooks. Yeah, the whole thing is. [00:16:56] Speaker A: But I think of that as a Mel Brooks. [00:16:57] Speaker C: I think that was his. That was his. Okay, this guy is too old and done now. [00:17:02] Speaker A: Did he do anything after that? I mean, he did. [00:17:04] Speaker C: He did something really, really fucking bad called Life Stinks after it and then that was it. No more movies for Mel, who was in Life Stinks. He might have been, actually. But I was a. I'm a massive Mel Brooks fan. Not from. At the time, but working back through the catalog. But yeah. God, Men in Tights was so goddamn. [00:17:29] Speaker A: So he's in that. He was in. I think Screwed was a movie that might have been out Half Baked. [00:17:34] Speaker C: It was. Probably got unpopular the first time I saw Chappelle because obviously I'm not from these here parts. Was Reggie Warrington in Fucking the Nutty Professor? Just mind blowingly. Because I thought, oh, that's Eddie Murphy's way of saying to the young black comedians, you really are a bunch of hack, like, idiot. Like, didn't you think that. I thought that was Eddie's commentary on, like, okay, there was me and then this Def Jam generation and they all sucked. [00:18:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I thought of it more as, you know, he's three throwing a bone to Chappelle that had been out right. By this time. Nutty Professor, I would think. I'm just trying to get a sense of what he. [00:18:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It had to have been what he's. [00:18:22] Speaker A: Done up until this point. [00:18:23] Speaker C: Yeah. Reggie Warrington. I was pissing myself. They should have just done a whole thing, just like a spin off insult comedy. [00:18:34] Speaker A: Is that what Def Jam was really? Was that more. And yeah, I guess. Yeah. [00:18:38] Speaker C: I mean, he had like a stupid hat on and all. Like, just no real. No material. Just like, oh, look at this big old plate of curly fries. [00:18:50] Speaker A: I'm sure Chappelle was on Def Jam, right? I don't remember it, but I'm sure he probably was. It's right around that time, but petering out at that point. [00:18:57] Speaker C: Chappelle's sharp enough to know what a hack comedian is and go after it. [00:19:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. All right. So he comes out and, you know, they're going crazy for him. [00:19:07] Speaker C: Went mental. [00:19:08] Speaker A: Yeah. And the first thing that I noticed is his voice, right? Because you're used to hearing him now and you hear him 25 years ago, and it's. I don't want to say, you know. [00:19:20] Speaker C: Grating is what it is. [00:19:21] Speaker A: You find his voice grating? [00:19:23] Speaker C: Yeah. In this. [00:19:24] Speaker A: Not now, not now. Yeah, yeah. It's a different voice, right? It's. And it made me think about comedians whose voices change over their careers, Right. They become, I don't know, the different kind of, you know, when you're a young comedian, you. You don't know who you are. You're shouting. You're affecting the voice more, you know, like, you know, before you settle into who you are or who. What your voice is. [00:19:49] Speaker C: I'll tell you one interesting thing about the opening. I never knew Washington had a train system. And, like, it starts doing this thing on the credits. I'm like, oh, Washington's got a mass transit. Yeah, opening credits. [00:20:03] Speaker A: Oh, the opening credits. [00:20:04] Speaker C: Yeah. So I'm already learning. [00:20:07] Speaker A: He doesn't do anything on the train system, but he does talk a lot about dc. He Starts off talking about how it changed, Right? [00:20:16] Speaker C: Yeah. Which kind of weirded me out. Like I say, I'm not from America. I would have thought Washington, D.C. was an incredibly white place from the get go, because government is controlled by white people in America, and D.C. is just a place the government is. [00:20:36] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know why that is, but no, it's not. It's quite the opposite. You're not. And I don't have a good feel for D.C. but. [00:20:44] Speaker C: But you would think all of the wealthy politicians and lobbyists and all those people around there. [00:20:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:50] Speaker C: Would be like, well, we're going to keep this place. [00:20:54] Speaker A: Yeah, you would think. You would think. [00:20:56] Speaker C: Yeah. That surprised me. Never been there. [00:21:00] Speaker A: You've never been? No. Well, he talks about. He starts talking about how it's. And it's hard to watch an old special. Right. Because you have to remember what. And I think this is kind of the point of doing this. [00:21:11] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:12] Speaker A: Or one of the points. You have to remember what it was like 25 years ago. Right. Not just in DC, but in the world. Right. And he starts this whole block off and goes, you know, I'm thinking this is going to be all. All I'm getting. Getting the light. That was another name for the show. Give him the light. [00:21:33] Speaker C: Getting the light. [00:21:34] Speaker A: Getting the light. [00:21:35] Speaker C: Christ. Some open mic bullshit. [00:21:40] Speaker A: No, I, you know, I thought it was going to be. This is going to be a special entirely about white people versus black people, you know, and it kind of was, but he goes a little. He goes left and right after a while. But I thought that. But I thought the jokes were great. Right. You know, I'm usually when I start to hear that, you know, white people get this treatment, black people get this. It's like 25 years of that since then is like, totally. I've had enough. I don't want to hear it. You still do hear it from comedians. [00:22:10] Speaker C: And I wonder if this was the defining thing that created that hack trope. Like, if everyone saw this and was like, oh, this is gold. [00:22:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have to think it predated this with prior. Richard Pryor did some of that. Right. [00:22:25] Speaker C: I never watched any Richard Pryor, so I can't comment. [00:22:28] Speaker A: But that on the list, we'll do his oldest special and then we'll do his newest special, what would that be? Why from the grave. Yeah, yeah, I know. That's a good. Yeah, so that, like, you have to get in the context of like, you know, has this been. Is this old material or is this. Is he the first one to. [00:22:46] Speaker B: Really. [00:22:47] Speaker C: Was he the first. [00:22:48] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:22:49] Speaker C: I wasn't here, so I can't tell you. [00:22:50] Speaker A: I don't know. It's hard to know. [00:22:53] Speaker C: Yeah. It turned me off at the start. I'm like, oh, my God, is this what this whole thing is going to be? But then he. He's one of them people where he's good enough at it to just negate the. The jadedness you feel, I think. [00:23:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:10] Speaker C: But part of me was also like, you are such a good comedian. You don't need to do this. [00:23:19] Speaker A: Yeah, but he's, you know, he's. I don't know how old he is now. He's gonna be in his 50s, but. [00:23:22] Speaker C: He'S 51 now, so he would have been 26 at the time. So still. [00:23:28] Speaker A: Yeah, burgeoning. Yeah. Yeah. That's why it's hard to watch these specials in reverse or in retrospect. Right. To. And then judge the material from. From then, when you can't really remember. But what was the joke that. That got you first? The first joke that you really liked? [00:23:45] Speaker C: The first joke I really liked. Well, he did the whole. He did a really brilliant bit about, you know, white thugs hanging out with black thugs. And I thought that was great. [00:23:56] Speaker A: That was right off the bat. [00:23:57] Speaker C: Yeah, great observations. And then he started doing the white this what? Black that. And I just was starting to. [00:24:03] Speaker A: To. [00:24:04] Speaker C: To go fade at that point. And then he did the whole thing with the gangster voice. He's like, I don't. I don't normally talk, like, this weird voice. And then he does that bit about, like, sounding like a 1940s gangster. Yeah. See? How about that Got me. Because I was like, that's great. [00:24:23] Speaker A: It's so interesting because I'm watching this with subtitles on or everybody watches with closed captioning. Now, I don't know if you know this, but today's youth, everything they watch, they'll have the sound on, they'll hear it, but they have. They want. It's capturing up. I don't know why or how that. I don't know. [00:24:39] Speaker B: Because you want to know what they're gonna say ahead of time. I don't know why. You know, ruin the surprise, I guess. [00:24:43] Speaker A: Right. So if you have the caption on, you see the words before you hear the words. [00:24:47] Speaker C: It's not because of Instagram. [00:24:49] Speaker B: I was just thinking that. I think it is. [00:24:51] Speaker C: Yeah, whatever. [00:24:54] Speaker A: So anyway, I'm watching it, and up comes on the screen, Jimmy Cagney voice. Now he Never says Jimmy Cagney. Right. But who the fuck is doing these captions? Right? Insert that in there. How are these. You know, who's writing the chiron for this? To put Jimmy Cagney voice up there. [00:25:15] Speaker C: Actually, it might have been. It could have been two comedians I knew that moved to la and that was their gig, to transcribe these things. Yeah. I knew people in LA who were working, doing this kind of thing. Doing captioning. Yeah. [00:25:32] Speaker A: For really. Okay. [00:25:33] Speaker C: I'm not sure what they were doing it for. [00:25:36] Speaker A: See, I always think of it when I think of captioning, I think of it as. It's just a phonetic computer thing that. That takes with sad and like. So you get mistakes and stuff like that. And it. [00:25:45] Speaker C: Now it is. But humans used to do it. [00:25:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:25:51] Speaker C: So someone obviously went, oh, he's talking about James Cagney. [00:25:55] Speaker A: You're right. Who can. But that's taking some liberties, right, with the. Anyway, yeah. [00:26:00] Speaker B: That's assuming that everybody knows who James Cagney is. [00:26:02] Speaker A: Right, right. That was pretty funny. Yeah. And. And that comes back. I think he's really good. You know, he's. He's not breaking the mold. Right. We've talked, we've. We've reviewed different specials where comedians are doing something different, everything. He's really kind of traditional in terms of his. I think, his materials. Original. [00:26:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:27] Speaker A: Right. And great for the most part. But it's. You know, he's kind of from that 80s school of comedy. Right. The Jerry Seinfeld school. Not. [00:26:36] Speaker C: He's. [00:26:36] Speaker A: He's not like Jerry Seinfeld, but, like. You know what I mean? Like, callbacks and he's. Yeah, everything's connected. [00:26:42] Speaker C: And he's doing a clear pacing of like. I can't go too long without a punchline. [00:26:49] Speaker A: Right. [00:26:49] Speaker C: I can't just ramble. [00:26:51] Speaker A: Right, Right. And I think, you know, it's like the kind of music you listen to. I, as a someone who loves comedy, that's the kind of comedy I love. That's the familiar blanket that I want. I want that kind of. So when you watch somebody like Maria Bamford or something like that, it's like, where the fuck I need these jokes? Right? You know, like, where. Give it to me. Like, I like it. That seems weird, right? But I'm the same way in my sex life. Right. I like it. Very traditional. [00:27:17] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. Since the man who doesn't want to. [00:27:22] Speaker A: Talk about it anyway, I won't talk about it. But the first one that got me was how he said, like, white people don't know the law. Right? Like, they're not. [00:27:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:32] Speaker A: I didn't know I couldn't do that. Right. But black people do know the law. [00:27:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:35] Speaker A: Blacks are like paraly. They're all like, paralegals. [00:27:38] Speaker C: That was great. I was original. It's brilliant observation and something new to the black versus white. [00:27:44] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. The signature bit that came out of this special, it's talked about all the time. Right. It's the one bit. Do you know what do you think it is? The bit that this special is best known for, I would say. Or at least to me, anyway. [00:28:03] Speaker B: Is it the baby? [00:28:04] Speaker A: Yeah, it's the baby. Yeah. It's the thread on the corner in the ghetto. Right. [00:28:09] Speaker C: And that annoyed me a little bit. I mean, I get what he's doing, but is clearly not true. And he's flipping. You got to either go total bollocks or totally true. I, I, I'm not mentally equipped to just let you flip between the two. [00:28:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So you know that obviously a baby's not standing on the corner talking, selling drugs. Right. So you can't. He loses you there. [00:28:37] Speaker C: Well, initially, when he said there was a baby on the corner, I was like, well, he's, you know, he's among the working class, so it could be that there is a parent who is so bad their kid is just wandering. [00:28:48] Speaker A: Well, that is true. [00:28:48] Speaker C: And that's where. Yeah, yeah. And that's where I thought that was going was like, holy. And then he just starts spinning the whole the baby selling weed thing, and I just like, ah. [00:28:59] Speaker A: Okay. I thought it was great. I thought. And you kind of, he kind of winks. It doesn't wink, but, like, he lets you know. Obviously the bit's not true, but he's in the limousine, he rolls the window down and he catches, like, old limousine. [00:29:16] Speaker C: Yeah, that was a good comedy 101 line. [00:29:21] Speaker A: So good. So good. The other thing I think with Chappelle is that he didn't invent the white voice, the black guy doing a white voice, but he, I mean, there's nobody better on earth that does a white voice. I'm not saying he's most accurate, but it is the funniest shit when he talks in white voice. Right. You don't like it. [00:29:41] Speaker C: No. And it's kind of funny because a mutual comedian who was around when we were both coming up, talked about the hackiness of the black comedian doing the white voice as, like, the, I'm Sheldon, the. [00:29:59] Speaker A: Was it Dwayne? [00:30:00] Speaker C: No, no, no. I'm not going to say Who? I don't know, but. And that really stuck with me, that this person saying that. I was like, yeah, it is like, white people don't talk like they're fucking professors, you know, like, it's different. Everyone talks different. For Christ. [00:30:18] Speaker A: No, but. No but, but, but. You're seeing it through how a black person hears white people talking, right? And. [00:30:24] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:30:24] Speaker A: He's not the first to do it. I probably was. Eddie Murphy, who live did it when he. He did whiteface and went on the bus and like, talked like, though. [00:30:32] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I know. It's a device that every comedian needs. It's like, if you go to any goddamn comedy show now, every comedian has an English voice that they're doing. [00:30:43] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:30:44] Speaker C: Holy shit. Yeah. It's like an epidemic. Why? [00:30:48] Speaker A: Why is that? [00:30:49] Speaker C: I don't know. I asked another. I asked a comedian. I'm like, why is everyone doing this now? Everyone has this, like, shitty English accent that they're trying to push. And she said, oh, it's because of the proliferation of, you know, Bridgerton and this and that and the other. And now everyone has exposure to it. [00:31:10] Speaker B: Then if you're in a room with people and one person does it, the rest of them, it's like. It's like bullfrogs on a pond, you know, like one and the rest of them all join in. [00:31:20] Speaker A: I didn't know. Maybe it was, you know, who started that Croesus with his Wallingford. Remember Wallingford? Yeah, he did a great one. [00:31:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:28] Speaker A: Hello. And then he do his Shakespeare in Love bit. I'll tell you, he's booked, right? This weekend you can see Adam Croesus at the Chateau in Los Angeles, California. ATM tickets still available. [00:31:42] Speaker C: You know, I'll give you a funny. So I don't actually. I don't mind people doing an English accent. I get it. It's like just a comedic device place. But the only people that ever fooled me was Spinal Tap. Someone sat me down one time and said, they're all American. And I said, no way. [00:32:01] Speaker A: Really? [00:32:01] Speaker C: Are those people American? [00:32:02] Speaker A: They nailed it. [00:32:04] Speaker C: Yeah. And. And the guys looks at me and goes, don't you recognize one of them as Lenny and Squiggy? Like. And. And then I started thinking about is, you know, Michael McKean's face. And I was like, oh, yeah, he was Squiggy. [00:32:18] Speaker A: Well, he was Lenny. [00:32:19] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. And then that was the only way I would believe because this is pre, you know, Internet people walking around with smartphones, and he's like, yeah, all of the. All of The Spinal Tap guys are American. And I'm like, no way. Because they are. Yeah. [00:32:36] Speaker A: They must have really put in the work with the dialect code. [00:32:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:39] Speaker A: To really get it. Whereas most people, you can just spit it out. [00:32:44] Speaker C: They all sound like Dick Van Dyke. Holy. [00:32:48] Speaker A: Dick Van Dyke's not British. [00:32:50] Speaker C: No. He's a Mary Poppins. God bless you, Mary Poppins. That's like the archetypal, like, worst one ever. Until alive. [00:32:58] Speaker A: Dick Van Dyke, I believe. [00:32:59] Speaker C: Until Don Cheadle came along in Ocean's Whatever It Was. And that was so cool. [00:33:06] Speaker A: He plays British in that. I don't remember. [00:33:08] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:33:12] Speaker A: All right, now, we've talked about it on the show, about physical comedy and your hatred for physical comedy. Right. Fair. You hate physical comedy. You don't see a lot of it in. Or he doesn't do a lot of it, Chappelle, in this, but he does it a little bit, and it's very subtle. And I Thinking about you during. During watching this and wondering if you liked it a couple times where he hits them. Like when he pretends like a policeman hitting a black person. Like, it just hits the mic stand with the microphone. Right. Then when he pretends to be eating the fried chicken, he uses. Turns it sideways like a drumstick. I mean, amazing. And then later on, when he does fellatio. [00:33:53] Speaker C: Yeah. I actually didn't watch it. [00:33:55] Speaker A: I listened. [00:33:57] Speaker C: I had it on. And I was talking about this with Christian before you came in, so I. I put it in the background because I was given 17 minutes to watch this goddamn thing. I put it. [00:34:09] Speaker A: I put it on the chat and look at the chat. When we decided on this a week. [00:34:12] Speaker C: Ago, I put it on YouTube. And then I was doing all the stuff, but I had to keep pausing it because I could. Here's an interesting thing about how great I am with comedy. I knew when he was doing physical stuff, I could literally sense it from how the crowd reacted. And I had to stop what I was doing, pop the window forward, dial it back 30 seconds, and watch it. [00:34:38] Speaker A: Because you wanted to see it. He got the big laugh. [00:34:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Because I could tell when he was doing it. [00:34:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, he did. But he does it sparingly. Right. And it's. [00:34:47] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:34:47] Speaker A: It's not big over the top. [00:34:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:49] Speaker A: He uses that mic. [00:34:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:51] Speaker A: Beautifully. And we don't talk a lot about this on the show, but just the. The way a comedian handles a mic. I mean, I'm sure we all have preferences. I don't mean it in a sexual way. [00:35:02] Speaker C: No, no, I know that's. Where you're. I think someone's prompted you to say this because, you know, it's my pet hatred. [00:35:07] Speaker A: What. How it's handled the mic. [00:35:10] Speaker C: Yeah. So there's a thing now, right. It's called the Louis CK ice cream cone. [00:35:17] Speaker A: That's what people are doing now. [00:35:18] Speaker C: They're holding it incorrectly, and that breaks the XLR and makes the microphone erratic and cut out. Because a microphone is the wire kind of thing. Yeah. Because if you imagine holding an ice cream cone, I wouldn't hold it like that. [00:35:34] Speaker A: Like you're holding it from the bottom. [00:35:35] Speaker C: When I said. When I said to someone, when did comedians not, you know, fail to learn how to actually hold a microphone which is designed physically to be held in a certain way. Right. [00:35:49] Speaker A: Yes. [00:35:50] Speaker C: And someone said, oh, it's Louis CK's fault. He started holding it by the bottom like it was an ice cream cone delic. So. And then everyone started doing it. [00:35:59] Speaker A: You wouldn't think a lot of people would be trying to emulate him these. [00:36:02] Speaker C: Days, but, yeah, you should grip it like a shaft, which you would think Louis CK of all people would be able to comprehend. [00:36:11] Speaker A: But he's just very traditional in the way he holds it and uses it. I think he does amazing with it. I like that. I always liked Norm MacDonald would leave it in the stand. [00:36:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:21] Speaker A: And just kind of hold the standard. [00:36:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:23] Speaker A: That's what I always like. [00:36:24] Speaker C: I saw, when I saw Norm at the Vic, his microphone just kept shitting up and he just wouldn't change him at the Vic. I don't know. Ten years ago, maybe. I don't know. [00:36:35] Speaker A: Oh, really? [00:36:36] Speaker C: Yeah. It was awful because his mic was wrong for 90 of the show. And I'm like, how do you mess up, Mike? [00:36:44] Speaker A: What do you mean it was wrong? [00:36:45] Speaker C: It was, like, cutting out. It wasn't loud enough. And I think. No, no. But I think eventually someone shouted at him, like, get a goddamn mic changed. And then I think they offered him a cordless and he was, like, being normal. No, I'm not using that. Like, get me a cord or something. And it just ruined, like, a huge chunk of the show that you couldn't hear him properly. [00:37:08] Speaker A: That's interesting because that's where he filmed his first, I think, American special. The HBO was at the Vic when he came from Canada. [00:37:16] Speaker C: I'm surprised you haven't got that one on the. On the itinerary. [00:37:19] Speaker A: Oh, it is, it is, it is. [00:37:23] Speaker B: All right. [00:37:24] Speaker A: So one of the things I noticed, too, with him with the mic and the way he's still Doing a lot of the same things that he does now. The way he hits his taps his. [00:37:37] Speaker C: You'll have to ask Christian. I haven't seen him. [00:37:39] Speaker A: You haven't seen him? When's the last time you haven't seen him in anything recently? [00:37:42] Speaker C: Yeah, I saw him in his 2000 special at 11 o' clock this morning. [00:37:47] Speaker A: You've seen no stand up of his? [00:37:49] Speaker C: None. [00:37:51] Speaker A: Living under a comedy rock? [00:37:53] Speaker C: No. When Chappelle show came out, it got massively hyped. So I watched a couple and I thought they were shit. And I've just avoided him ever since. [00:38:02] Speaker A: Did you watch his show, the Chappelle Show? You did? Yeah. [00:38:05] Speaker C: You left. Christian can chime in with his evolution. [00:38:10] Speaker A: But he's still doing some of the same things. Hitting his leg with the mic, you know, after a joke, like to emphasize the. [00:38:15] Speaker B: Oh, that's just it. Actually, I don't really know much about his newer stuff and I'm looking forward to seeing the. The dreamer one. But I agree. I also didn't like Chappelle's show. I thought it was. It didn't live up to the stand up special that I had based my. What I liked about Dave Chappelle around, you know, which was killing them softly. And then I thought, oh, Chappelle, okay, well, this is just not for me. [00:38:40] Speaker A: It was so hyped. It was hard to live up to that hype. [00:38:42] Speaker C: But yeah, well, I mean, I'm from a country that sketch comedy has a very high standard for and didn't meet that standard. [00:38:54] Speaker B: And it was being quoted constantly at that point. Now I was in college, you know, so any. Every college party you go to, all you heard was the little John quotes, you know, as. As Dave Chappelle. And it was just like, if I hear this one more time, I'm going to fucking kill myself, you know? [00:39:09] Speaker A: This is terrible. Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:39:11] Speaker C: I'm Rick James, bitch. Was the bane of the early century. [00:39:17] Speaker A: Okay, well, I'm not going to challenge you on the sketch comedy thing, but what other parts of this special I can't even get a sense of whether you like this or not. We'll get to that. [00:39:27] Speaker C: I'm keeping you on edge with that. [00:39:28] Speaker A: You are. What about the Sesame street stuff? That's pretty good. [00:39:32] Speaker C: Good stuff. I mean, there was so much good in this thing. You know, I just put it got very 90s at one point. There was Bill Clinton impressions flying around. [00:39:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:42] Speaker C: Monica Lewinsky stuff. And then the one thing that really shook me a little bit was like he tried to generate sympathy for Monica Lewinsky. And the whole audience was like, the women. He was like, even the women. And they just booed and stuff. I was like, yeah, I really understand. [00:40:01] Speaker A: That in the 90s. Yeah. Do you think she would get sympathy now? She's a more sympathetic figure now that history is. I mean, judge her differently. [00:40:11] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, she should be, I think. Yeah. In me too. She was a victim of sexual assault, basically. [00:40:17] Speaker A: This was me too. [00:40:18] Speaker C: She would have been, you know, and It's. It's year 2000. It was Boomer. [00:40:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Like she was the one in the wrong there. [00:40:25] Speaker C: Jesus Christ. [00:40:26] Speaker A: Right? [00:40:27] Speaker C: I know. Yeah. That one was like, wow, this dates this, right? This boy. Yeah. And then he did Ellie and Gonzalez and I'm like, wow, I'm time warping. I am time warping. [00:40:39] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Talking about George Bush Jr. I guess he had just been elected. I don't. In 2000. Right. [00:40:49] Speaker C: I think. [00:40:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:51] Speaker C: He said it's election. No, he. He said it's election year. And he said, I would vote for Clinton again if I could. [00:40:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:59] Speaker A: He must gore Bush. It was right before that. [00:41:02] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:41:03] Speaker A: So he went in. He hadn't won yet. [00:41:05] Speaker C: Yeah. That was when he, when he did Ellie and Gonzalez. [00:41:09] Speaker A: I'm like, no, but if not for a couple of those that, you know, the political stuff, you could have, you know. [00:41:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:16] Speaker A: You couldn't really date it. [00:41:17] Speaker C: But. But he did end on a like bit where I'm like, wow, this isn't gonna fly. I don't know. I couldn't. The men versus women chivalry is dead bit. He kind of. You think, okay, he's going down a hole here that he would be fucking buried in 25. [00:41:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:32] Speaker C: But then he, he like winches himself out with like talking about how magazines undermine women and you are beautiful and blah, blah, blah. [00:41:44] Speaker A: Magazines kind of dates things too. [00:41:45] Speaker C: Yeah. So, yeah, that bit was really on the edge of like, wow, he's, you know, he's going in the abyss, but he's winching himself out and he's pushing. [00:41:56] Speaker A: Him back self in, but he's still doing that today. I mean, that's his. I don't know. Wouldn't say that's his comedy, but he is taking whatever lightning rod issues are there and that is what his act is going to be about. And he's going to go on the side he wants to and he's going to alienate lot of people. [00:42:13] Speaker C: But does he try to walk? Well, we'll get to. [00:42:16] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll get to that in the next one. [00:42:17] Speaker C: Does he try to walk the line still. [00:42:19] Speaker A: He walks it back. He'll cry. He crosses the line. But then he'll walk it back, and then he'll insult you again and then walk it back. So it's. You don't. You can't. He wants you to not be able to stay mad at him. But he wants to say what he. [00:42:33] Speaker C: Wants to say, which is fearless. [00:42:35] Speaker A: He's a. I mean, by today's standards, he's a fearless comedian. [00:42:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I like. I like people that do that to, you know, make you like them. And then you're like, I like the wrong person. No, no, I. Wrong. Who's it Jason Fever used to talk about? That's the secret of comedy. [00:42:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:42:55] Speaker C: He. What did he say? It was like, comedy should be something like. I wish I could remember the word. It looks like banana. Banana, banana. Heroin overdose. Banana, Banana, banana. Heroin overdose. Like, that's the pace of comedy. [00:43:14] Speaker A: Yeah. That's what I couldn't help but think about during the special, it being 20 something years ago, is how. How you could be offensive. Right. If you want to say you could really push the envelope or push past the envelope, cross the line. And now you just don't see that. Other than with him. I think you'll see that with him. Most comedians just. They stay on the other side of the line. And that's why I think comedy is in a bad place. [00:43:40] Speaker C: I don't know about that. [00:43:41] Speaker A: I can't. [00:43:42] Speaker C: No. I get a lot of. You know, there's this raging debate in comedy right now of like, oh, comedy shouldn't have any barriers. And then they're like, well, it should and then it shouldn't. And, you know, I see, like, on my. I don't really go on social media anymore, but I do know that when I do go on it, I see a whole bunch of, like, older comedians saying, you should be able to do, you know, you, Seinfeld. John Cleese is saying you should be able to say whatever the hell you want. It's comedy. It's a blank check. But I don't know. I. I'm still. I'm. I'm still processing what I believe. I mean, I will say this as someone who is a kind of has a sort of unofficial stewardship of a comedy venue. I try not to get dragged into it. I just want to say it's society's thing. You guys sort it out. Okay. But, you know, society. [00:44:48] Speaker A: But you're not going to book a comedian that you know is going to potentially be offensive or. I mean, no, is going to be offensive. You would. I think we've talked about this. You. You steer away from somebody who has been. Me too. Or, you know. [00:45:03] Speaker C: Well, yeah, we're talking about publicly flogged for. Well, me getting me toed isn't the same as being offensive. Getting me to it is. You have sexually assaulted someone. Right. Being. [00:45:15] Speaker A: I'm not. I want to make sure I'm clear. I'm not advocating anything. Me too. [00:45:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:19] Speaker A: So you're not on the side. [00:45:20] Speaker C: So you're saying. You're saying that. You're saying. Bill. Bill. No. Second name is saying. [00:45:28] Speaker A: No, I'm not. I'm not. [00:45:30] Speaker B: No. [00:45:30] Speaker A: I'm trying to get. Get to understand you as the unofficial purveyor of a comedy venue who you would put up in this day and age. And it sounds like you have reservations, which. Which is really not. [00:45:44] Speaker C: No, no, I. I don't have reservations because I have no input whatsoever in who the booking is. I just. I'm here to provide the framework for which live comedy happens. Right. I have long since surrendered any pretension to having any comedy sensibilities. Yeah. Because quite frankly, I hate most of it. [00:46:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:12] Speaker C: And I'm like, if you're gonna say the. I don't get this with people who own comedy clubs or book comedy rooms, like, I want it to be a reflection of. I think comedy should be. Egotistical idiot. [00:46:26] Speaker A: Right. [00:46:26] Speaker C: No, it. What it is, should be a reflection of what society says. This is good. This is healthy. This is what is for us. Now, there's going to be a lot of debate and reaction within it, but you know what I personally think of any given act shouldn't matter a toss. [00:46:46] Speaker A: Yeah. As someone running the room or. [00:46:48] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm just here to facilitate it happening. [00:46:52] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't think that's the case. Right. When you look out there, I think most people, the rooms of whoever the clubs, they are a reflection. [00:46:59] Speaker C: Yeah. It's the ego of people is like, this has to be what I. Because I know best. No, you don't. [00:47:06] Speaker A: Right. This is good comedy. This is bad. [00:47:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:08] Speaker A: Have it all. [00:47:09] Speaker C: Yeah. And, you know, and I used to be that twat. Don't get me wrong, I used to be the guy. Well, I was sat there with you in. In the backs of open mics, in bar, plotting. This is how comedy should be. [00:47:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:22] Speaker C: Yeah. Because I'm 27 years old and I'm thick as. And I don't know any better. But you, you know, you live, you learn, you evolve. And now I. If I would go Back to me, I would say, just shut up, Take. [00:47:34] Speaker A: Your hand up the till. [00:47:35] Speaker C: Yeah, shut up and just do your thing. Let everyone else sort, you know, let it. Consensus. [00:47:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:43] Speaker C: Oh, that was a bit of a rant. Let me calm down. [00:47:46] Speaker A: Well, I think, you know, since we're talking about the end and he ends on the men versus women thing, I thought, I thought this was his most brilliant. [00:47:56] Speaker C: It was definitely winching it over the edge. Pull it back, winch it over the edge, put it back. [00:48:00] Speaker A: I mean, the thing where he says the four things to make a man happy, right? These magazines, four things. [00:48:06] Speaker C: A dude jumps up in the front row and high fives like four things. [00:48:12] Speaker A: Suck his dick, play with his balls, make him a sandwich and don't talk too much. [00:48:20] Speaker C: Put that on a T shirt, sell it down the market. [00:48:25] Speaker A: Four things to make a man happy. And then I don't know if it's how it would play today, but that I think the most brilliant bit was the one where a woman dresses, you know, with a short skirt and, you know, halter top. And he says, you know, don't, you know, I'm not a. Just because I dress like this. He said, well, that's confusing, right? Said if I wore a cop uniform, people would come up to me, right? I mean, that's brilliant. That's just brilliant. [00:48:56] Speaker C: You're not one, but you're wearing the uniform. Yeah, right. [00:49:00] Speaker A: And then I didn't see it coming. Even though I've seen this a long time ago, I didn't see it coming. The, the thong contest and the woman. I don't know if you thought about this, but he starts out talking about him spreading his cheeks for the police and then he ends with a woman spreading her cheeks, right? And I'm like, what's going on? You could see into her birth canal. [00:49:25] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:49:26] Speaker A: And there's the baby. [00:49:27] Speaker C: There's the baby. And there it all tied up in a neat little social bow. [00:49:32] Speaker A: An amazing closer. That is an amazing closer. Yeah, maybe. Maybe the best ever. I don't know. It's a hard one. Yeah. So. Well, I think, you know where, where I stand on this one. I think this is one of the all time greats. I think this really is what catapulted him into stardom. I think he was probably on his way anyway. This. Yeah, this was for its time and even now I think it holds up. I think it's, you know, it's great. So it is special. Isn't that special? Yes, that is. [00:50:10] Speaker C: Is that our new categorization system now? [00:50:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:13] Speaker C: Because we cycled through. So it's going to be. It is special or it isn't special. [00:50:20] Speaker A: There we go. Right? [00:50:22] Speaker B: There it is. [00:50:23] Speaker A: I think it is special. This special. [00:50:26] Speaker C: And as I think we now we pull Christian evermore into the thing. We've now got a casting vote, right? [00:50:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Like the speaker of the House or the vice president. [00:50:38] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:50:39] Speaker A: Decide the vote. Okay, so you've been. [00:50:43] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm gonna. [00:50:43] Speaker A: Everyone's in suspense. [00:50:46] Speaker C: I'm just gonna leave a really long pause here. No, yeah. It is special. It is special. So no casting vote is needed, but we can look at him, unanimous or not. [00:50:57] Speaker A: But a little more, though. It's special. You. You obviously recognize the brilliance and what a great comedian he is. We try to keep about the craft, but you. And you laughed, you enjoyed it. You think he's funny. You would go see him. [00:51:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:12] Speaker A: Today. [00:51:12] Speaker C: Yeah. Like I say, I like the whole push me over the edge, winch me back, push me, winch me. And there was some flaws in it. Yeah. [00:51:21] Speaker A: He's a young comedian, right? [00:51:23] Speaker C: Yeah. No, I mean, they weren't flaws for him. Like, I could. I hate the whole, you know, black, white, blah, blah, blah. I think it's beat to death. But like, 25 years ago, it was not probably. [00:51:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:35] Speaker C: So it's not a flaw for him. [00:51:38] Speaker A: No, you can't judge me. [00:51:39] Speaker C: It's my problem. [00:51:40] Speaker A: If you were to do the same material now, which we'll see next week, if he's still doing the same type of material, then maybe it's, you know, different lens. [00:51:50] Speaker C: It's not as be interesting 25 years down the line. [00:51:56] Speaker A: Yep. Well, there you have it, Christian. We will take your vote. I think we know what it is anyway. But even though it's not a deciding vote, is it special or not? Yeah. [00:52:06] Speaker B: I was very curious to see what I was going to think about this one. [00:52:11] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:52:11] Speaker B: It's been a long time since the first time I've seen this special. You know, it's A lot has. A lot has changed in the world around me and in the world that I live and especially working at a comedy club for the last five years and being around it so much, you know, was this gonna hold water or not? And. And I went into it thinking the same thing Mark did of. Of kind of like, oh, is it gonna be this, like, obvious, you know, thing for about an hour now. And it surprised me that some of the timelessness, like you had said, Bill, really just showed through and. And, yeah, I thought it was very special. [00:52:47] Speaker A: Very special. Very special. [00:52:50] Speaker C: We're gonna have different gradients. [00:52:52] Speaker A: Gradients of special. Extra special. Very special. Somewhat special. All right, well, we'll look forward to next week and seeing the new one. I have not seen the new one, so I'm. [00:53:04] Speaker B: Neither have I, I think. And if I. If I have, it wasn't memorable. [00:53:10] Speaker A: Yeah, that's gonna be good. You'll have to see that on your Netflix. You can you get into Netflix? [00:53:16] Speaker C: I've got Netflix. [00:53:17] Speaker A: Okay. [00:53:17] Speaker C: Just don't have HBO money. [00:53:20] Speaker A: All right, we'll see you next week. [00:53:23] Speaker C: Did you play the outro yet? [00:53:24] Speaker A: See? What is it? Is it the same song? What's playing right now? [00:53:27] Speaker C: The outro of the same song. [00:53:29] Speaker A: Here comes the outro. [00:53:30] Speaker C: Play it into the mic and then I'll play. I'll be editing. [00:53:34] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, yeah. [00:53:35] Speaker C: Nice. [00:53:36] Speaker A: I'll save you. Here we go. [00:53:37] Speaker C: That's fine. Dang, That's. [00:53:39] Speaker A: That's not either. Here we go. [00:53:46] Speaker C: This is the outro. [00:53:47] Speaker A: Oh, that's the intro. [00:53:49] Speaker C: The outro is different. [00:53:51] Speaker B: Should we just do the whole thing over again? [00:53:57] Speaker A: So that's the only one that's out. Is the.